kind of depressing, but I guess the only good thing about it is the fact that they avoided public funding of most abortions.

btw, can you tell me where in the bill it says that illegal aliens are covered? thanks!

Yes, because you truly know the future. People are such drama queens about these things. It's rather funny to watch em squirm.

@greenbird321 - 

Actually no, it's still unclear whether it covers abortion or not. Obama says it doesn't, and so far, whatever he says, the opposite is true.

And there is nothing in the bill that specifically prohibits illegal immigrants from being covered. A few weeks ago--and, granted, it was a different bill Obama was talking about--Obama said that the bill would not cover illegal immigrants. In a way, he was right: his plan was to grant them amnesty, thereby making them LEGAL, and THEN covering them. He is so slimy. I will let you know when I learn more.

@FearlessMonstrosity - 

I know the future? No, it's in the bill and it's in the math, moron. The only way it's POSSIBLE to give EVERYBODY health insurance (even though it's crappy quality, according to how the bill describes it) is if we add another 900 BILLION dollars to our deficit. Is it drama to state a fact? No. Is it sheep-like to ignore the facts and pretend everything is alright and just do what a radical, Marx-following government says? Yes.

@FearlessMonstrosity - 

P.S. If you knew anything about this subject, you wouldn't think it's funny. You're just proving how out-of-touch liberals, and especially Obama worshipers, are with reality.

@BecauseIamDonnieDarko - 

yea, I'd like to see facts about the illegal immigration thing(for the record, I am VERY strongly against illegal immigration--I just would rather see proof about whether they're covered).

anyway, it's not about what Obama has said about the Hyde Amendment proponents of the bill. I've been keeping close tabs on that issue, and it was just yesterday(or today) that the pro-life democrats finally got the House to agree to no public funding of most abortions. so that issue is settled, for now.

@greenbird321 - 

The last I've read about abortion is that the conservatives in Congress have ONE chance to add an amendment to the bill that would specifically prohibit abortion funding. This means that the current bill does not specifically prohibit abortion funding. And I don't know when that amendment gets voted on. Might be tomorrow. So for now, it's not settled; it's still up in the air. I'll find it for you in the next couple of days whether or not illegals are covered. Obama's initial bill specifically said that illegals WERE covered, and that they WOULDN'T have to pay taxes on their insurance, and that everybody ELSE would pay the taxes for the illegals' insurance. How screwed up is he?! Anyway, that was an old bill. But that alone shows you where Obama's intentions are for this country. Cutting back on our military defense, just as Clinton did....Nevermind, I won't go into this. I need to sleep.

Except Clinton also sold top secret missile technology to Communist China, who are now building bombs with that technology. Thanks, Bill. Liberals have one god, and it's money. "Tax the people more so we get paid more! Tax them! Tax some more! Sell whatever technology the US has to any number of enemies, who cares? As long as we get paid a whole lot!"

I'm sorry, but even with the math, you can't foresee the events to come that may alter that debt, there is a tremendous turbulence in world's economy right now, it could fold like a house of cards or expand beyond imagination.

Oh noes! More debt! Do you even have a clue how tiny that seems relative to the national debt? Even with the national debt at close to 12 trillion it's only $40,000 per person. Guess what 900 billion is divided up by 307,247,253 people! Just shy of 3 grand a piece.

Call it whatever the hell you want, but if you get to call Obama a marxist I get to call Bush a fascist.

@BecauseIamDonnieDarko - 

honestly, I have to see your sources on ALL of that. I'm very wary of conservatives with unnamed sources, since I'm also a conservative--one who is constantly aware of the necessity of confirmed sources.

and, I just have to ask...are you a "Christian"?

@FearlessMonstrosity - 

Obama's policies ARE those of Karl Marx. Bush did absolutely nothing wrong, except he was too easy on illegal immigration and he spent way too much money. But Obama has already done worse in those areas than Bush.

@BecauseIamDonnieDarko - 

PS, I just don't like politics, especially ones making claims of Marxism or Communism, or Fascism or Nazism, it's bullshit. People are confusing facts with biased personal beliefs, especially when it comes to what the pundits on tv say for both sides. I'm going to laugh at it because of how much of a farce it has become with dramatics like this. Fuck, I don't even profess to being a certain nationality on here, much less affiliated with one of these backwards political parties. Don't assume anything of me.

@greenbird321 - 

You want to see sources on what Clinton did?? That's a widely known thing. It was a big deal back then. But yeah, I'll get you sources on it if you want. Send me a private message here on Xanga so that tomorrow I'll see in my e-mail that I got a message and I'll remember to source it.

Also, you want the source of what I said about the original bill proposed by Obama covering illegals but not taxing them and letting real U.S. citizens pay the tax? That source was the bill itself. It was posted online (something Pelosi and Reid wouldn't allow to be done with this new bill because she knew the public would resist it, just as they did before). You could read the entire bill online. I don't know if that's still available or not. But I did post a note about it on Facebook, including the links to actual bill (if the links still work), so, again, message me tomorrow and just tell me exactly what you want the source of.

@BecauseIamDonnieDarko - 

Yeah, being selective in your topics of interest is like picking and choosing scripture from the bible, you get your message across with extreme bias and miss the rest of the picture.

@BecauseIamDonnieDarko - 

no, not Clinton--just the current things that I already know about. I'd like you to copy/paste the bit from the bill about illegal immigrants, thanks.

and, once again I'm curious about whether you call yourself a 'Christian'.

@FearlessMonstrosity - 

I don't know what you're referring to. But I'd have to say I disagree; why can't I be "selective" in what I'm interested in. I'm interested in photography and not ballet. Are you saying that's wrong of me? Because I prefer one and not the other? I agree that both sides need to be shown in debates, if that's what you mean. Of course, liberals who wrote this new bill refused to let the public see it this time (which is unconstitutional).

@greenbird321 - 

Oh, yeah, I'm a Christian. Meaning I believe Jesus was who he said he was and I try my hardest to live by what he taught. And when I inevitably screw up, I feel bad for it, naturally, and I apologize and as forgiveness.

@BecauseIamDonnieDarko - 

"May God damn Obama for fucking the Constitution. Fuck Obama."

well, just for the record(though you acknowledge that you screw up, like all of us, so you may know this), that's a total misrepresentation of what Jesus was about.

@greenbird321 - 

You're right. And maybe one day I will WANT to forgive him. But as of now, he is one of two people I can't forgive.

@BecauseIamDonnieDarko - 

understood, but my point was that when we say things like that, in the moment, we should ask God for forgiveness(and you should delete those words). the Lord says to respect and pray for our leaders, even if we do not agree with their actions. because God is the one who allowed them to come to power. and by posting words like that, you are misrepresenting Christ, and pushing people away from God, and His truth.

and no, I do not support Obama, nor did I vote for him.

@greenbird321 - 

I pray that God's will is carried out. I pray that people who oppose and mock the Bible, like Obama, are stopped.

What I'm saying is the the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, and considerably greater than the few pieces people tend to look at. What's wrong here is that by making these selections and focusing on them you're missing a much larger picture, such as the good things that will come of this. That has gone entirely unmentioned thus far, and not because there isn't a benefit to come of it, but because that would make your arguments seem a lot less valid. You have said a lot of negatives without any specificity as to how, and to me it stinks of sensationalism and bias.

@greenbird321 - 

Also, keep in mind that God didn't put Obama in power. The fact that Obama is in power does not mean it was God's will. WE used OUR free will to put him in power. When we choose something that conflicts with God's plan, God uses our choice to make things turn out HIS way. So, somehow, God is going to use this atrocity, this Obamination (sorry), to END what Obama has started. We made a bad choice, God will fix it. But God did not put Obama into office, not does he put even the most moral of men in any democratic society into office. It's us.

@BecauseIamDonnieDarko - 

so, you're saying that God is not omniscient and omnipotent?

God allows even bad things to happen; that's like...the fundamentals of Christianity. remember Job? God allowed Obama to be voted into office, just as God allows people to die in car accidents, even when it is someone's free will to drive drunk.

1 Timothy 2:1-4

I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone—for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

thus, your words are as much of an abomination unto God as Obama's actions have been.